Answering Objections: "Latin Mass Nostalgia?" Defending Sedevacantism - Part 1
Refutation of the Video’s Objections
Summary
The video presents an objection to sedevacantism and a response from Bishop Sanborn defending the sedevacantist position.
Objection to Sedevacantism (Critic’s Argument):
The critic claims that sedevacantists have an unhealthy and obsessive attachment to the Tridentine Mass (promulgated by Pope Pius V in 1570).
He argues that they mistakenly believe the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) is the only valid expression of the Catholic liturgy, rejecting other historical Catholic rites.
He likens sedevacantists to "King James Bible-only" Protestants, suggesting they idolize one particular form of worship and refuse to accept liturgical diversity.
Bishop Sanborn’s Response:
The issue is not about different rites but about different religions. The Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass (New Mass) represent two irreconcilable faiths.
The Catholic Church has always had multiple valid rites (e.g., Ambrosian, Mozarabic, Sarum, Dominican), but they all shared the same Catholic doctrine.
The Novus Ordo Mass is not merely a new rite—it was engineered by modernists to remove Catholic theology and replace it with ecumenical, Protestant-inspired errors.
He emphasizes that either Vatican II is Catholic and in continuity with Church teaching, or it is a rupture. If it is a rupture, then Catholics must reject it entirely as the worst heresy in Church history.
He points out that 80% of Novus Ordo attendees do not believe in transubstantiation, demonstrating the devastating effects of Vatican II’s liturgical revolution.
Sanborn warns that modernism and false ecumenism, condemned by past Popes, have reduced the post-Vatican II Church to a faithless shell.
Key Quotes:
From the Critic Against Sedevacantism:
"Sedevacantists have an unhealthy obsession with the Mass promulgated by Pope Pius V in 1570. They love that particular rite more than they love the essence of the Liturgy itself."
"They are like King James Bible-only Protestants who believe that one translation is the only authentic Word of God."
From Bishop Sanborn Defending Sedevacantism:
"This is not a question of two rites coexisting. This is a battle of two religions."
"The Catholic Church is no stranger to many rites... but what the Church cannot tolerate is a diversity of religions."
"The Traditional Mass is the product of the Catholic Church for many centuries, like a great tree that has grown gradually. The New Mass is an invention of modernists."
"80% of those who attend the New Mass do not believe in transubstantiation."
"Either Vatican II is in substantial continuity with pre-Vatican II Catholicism, or it isn’t. If it is, then what we do here today is schismatic. If it isn’t, then we must resist it more than any heresy in Church history."
"Pius XI said ecumenism is a grave error that shakes the very foundations of Catholic doctrine."
Analysis
1. False Equivalence Between Liturgical Rites and the Novus Ordo
The critic falsely equates the Novus Ordo Mass with traditional Catholic liturgical diversity.
The Church has historically had multiple valid rites (Ambrosian, Mozarabic, Dominican), but they all maintained the same doctrinal content and theological integrity.
The Novus Ordo is not merely another Catholic rite—it is a fabricated service engineered by modernists and Protestants to strip the Mass of Catholic doctrine.
2. The Novus Ordo as a Manifestation of a New Religion
Bishop Sanborn correctly states that the Novus Ordo no longer teaches the Catholic faith.
The Novus Ordo was designed to be acceptable to Protestants, deliberately removing prayers affirming the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the Real Presence, and the unique role of the Catholic priesthood.
Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi (the law of prayer is the law of belief): The Novus Ordo’s language and gestures teach a different theology, which explains why 80% of its adherents do not believe in transubstantiation.
The Novus Ordo replaces the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with a man-centered, communal meal.
3. Vatican II as the Worst Heresy in Church History
Vatican II represents the greatest rupture in Catholic history, fundamentally altering doctrines on ecumenism, religious liberty, collegiality, and liturgy.
Past Popes condemned false ecumenism as a grave danger. Pope Pius XI in Mortalium Animos (1928) warned:
"The Catholic Church is the one true Church of Christ. To support a false unity through ecumenical meetings is to abandon the religion revealed by God."
Vatican II’s embrace of ecumenism and interfaith dialogue undermines the Catholic Church’s claim as the sole ark of salvation.
4. No Middle Ground—Either Vatican II Is Catholic, or It Isn’t
As Sanborn emphasizes, there can be no compromise.
If Vatican II is in continuity with past Church teaching, then rejecting it (as sedevacantists do) is schismatic.
If Vatican II contradicts past teachings, then Catholics must reject it entirely as a false, heretical council.
Since Vatican II teaches condemned errors (e.g., religious liberty, interfaith unity), it must be rejected wholesale.
Key Takeaways & Final Conclusion
The Latin Mass vs. Novus Ordo is not about "Mass Nostalgia" but Doctrinal Integrity.
The Church always allowed multiple liturgical rites, but never two conflicting theologies.
The Traditional Latin Mass transmits authentic Catholic doctrine; the Novus Ordo teaches modernist errors.
Vatican II Introduced a False Religion.
The post-Vatican II Church preaches ecumenism, modernism, and a humanist approach to worship—all condemned by pre-Vatican II Popes.
It effectively replaces Catholicism with an interfaith-friendly counterfeit.
The Novus Ordo Mass Was Engineered to Erase Catholic Doctrine.
The involvement of Protestant ministers in designing the Novus Ordo is well-documented.
The removal of prayers affirming transubstantiation has led to massive disbelief in the Real Presence.
The Effects of Vatican II Have Been Disastrous.
80% of Novus Ordo attendees do not believe in transubstantiation.
Vocations have collapsed, faith has eroded, and Catholic identity has been blurred.
No Middle Ground—Vatican II Must Be Entirely Rejected.
If Vatican II is in continuity with Catholicism, sedevacantists are wrong.
If Vatican II introduces condemned errors, it must be rejected—along with those who enforce it, including its so-called "Popes."
As Sanborn points out, the Church must resist Vatican II with greater force than any heresy in its history.
Final Judgment:
From a sedevacantist, pre-Vatican II perspective, the post-Vatican II Church is a false, heretical structure masquerading as Catholicism. The Novus Ordo is not a legitimate Catholic rite—it is a modernist fabrication designed to replace Catholicism with an ecumenical, Protestantized counterfeit.True Catholics must reject Vatican II and its hierarchy, recognizing that the See of Peter is vacant.
